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Tuesday, November 30, 2021

NYT writer argues like a teen for the vax mandate

Michelle Goldberg of the New York Times is upset that people opposed to vaccine mandates are making the my body-my choice argument.

She whined that standard only applies to abortion, which is ironic because a baby (or fetus if you prefer) is not part of the woman's body. It is inside the body, but from conception it is a separate human being with its own DNA.

My decision to be vaccinated affects me, not you.

An abortion kills another human being.

Like any teenager, Goldberg, 46, argued that "if men — or at any rate cis men — could get pregnant, abortion would be a nonissue."

That's false. Nine old men minted the right to abortion in Roe v. Wade. Three women now sit on a Supreme Court that may overturn it just like the all-white Supreme Court overturned Plessy v. Ferguson, and ended separate-but-equal treatment of black people.

Goldberg's argument is literally a teenager's argument.

Her column comes a month after Ella Pedroso made the same argument, "Why ‘my body, my choice’ doesn’t apply to vaccines," in her newspaper.

Pedroso is a junior and a design editor of The Panther, the official student newspaper of Palmetto Senior High School. 

Her argument actually was better written than Goldberg's NYT column.

Pedroso wrote, "An anti-vaxxer saying 'my body is my choice' as a way to avoid getting vaccinated selfishly makes the conversation about them. If they do not care about their own health, surely they must care about the lives that they put at risk through refusing vaccination.

"Changing the meaning of 'my body, my choice' from supporting an individual’s rights to control their own reproductive system to supporting an unsafe movement does not make sense and using this argument to promote a false notion of what freedom means selfishly puts others at risk."

Meanwhile, Goldberg wrote, "It’s striking, the gap between the bodily impositions people on the right will accept in their own lives and those they would impose on others. When it comes to themselves, many conservatives find any encroachment on their physical sovereignty intolerable, and arguments about the common good irrelevant. Yet their movement is dragging us into a future where many women will be stripped of self-determination the moment they get pregnant. Choices, it seems, aren’t for everybody."

She has it backward. Vaccines have failed to stop the spread of covid, while every abortion kills at least one human. Her own newspaper admitted the vaccines have failed to slow covid.

As she should have put it, it’s striking, the gap between the bodily impositions people on the LEFT will accept in their own lives and those they would impose on others. When it comes to themselves, many LIBERALS find any encroachment on their physical sovereignty intolerable, and arguments about the common good irrelevant. Yet their movement is dragging us into a future where many women will be stripped of self-determination the moment Biden mandates a vaccine. Choices, it seems, aren’t for everybody.

The vax mandates won't stop covid. Nothing will. It's a virus.

And it's your body, your choice on the vaccine.

38 comments:

  1. If those women think that the fetus is basically a cyst to be removed...then we have a technology for that. Birth.

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  2. I'm not an anti-vaxxer because I believe in vaccines. I've had my vaccinations. The COVID shot, however, is not a vaccine because it doesn't do what a vaccine does: prevent the illness. I am against the COVID shot mandate.

    If Ms. Goldberg fears "a future where many women will be stripped of self-determination the moment they get pregnant," then do what you must do to not get pregnant. Pregnancy is not an accident.

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    1. No coincidence that both articles referenced above where written by women. I bet the support for mandates is much greater among women than men. Women feel responsible for family health and want to "marry a doctor." 100 years of women's suffrage has turned America into a big hospital.

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  4. I've determined not to get the booster. I'm getting a
    antibody test finally. looks like I may have had it .
    No one wanted to test me as I didn't have a fever.

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    1. Let us know what you find; I suspect that a huge number of all of us have actually had this thing pass through - and as our immune systems fought it off easily, we never even knew about it.

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    2. I had it in late July of this year. A headache, tired, and a little cough. Went to Labcorp in September and tested positive for antibodies ($10). I'm done until the next time a flu gets me.

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    3. I would wager money that I've had it. I will not get tested as I don't really need to know. I believe you are right Snow, many had it and never knew.

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    4. Heard an interview with an MD this morning. I can believe it's possible to get C19 twice (as we do colds and flu). Please discuss...

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    5. My daughter has gotten it twice. No jab
      2nd one milder than 1st but neither were too bad (she was 24 and 25 when she got it)

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  5. Everyone seems to miss the major point when discussing the vax mandate issue. If COVID was like smallpox, killing all ages at a 30% rate with easy transmission, there would be rationale for such a mandate. Of course, people would fight for a vaccine for something that deadly, so a mandate would be unnecessary.

    COVID is no more deadly than the flu for healthy people under age 70. That’s the operative fact in debating the wisdom, or absence of same, of vaccine mandates. The additional issue of deadly side effects shouldn’t be overlooked, either, though much of the data on that seems to be hidden.

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    1. There' no recognition that the death of an 80 year old is different than the death of a 30 year old. The proper metric is years lost, not number of deaths. But confronting your mortality is understandably taboo.
      An 80 year old who dies, died of old age. Their immune system is shot.

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    2. No all old people are the same, either.Not all of US have compromised immune systems.I'm a controlled
      type two, not overweight. issues mainly due to car wrecka year ago basically gone,.The type tow is a genetic form, not lifestyle. I am active and keep moving. Lost a friend who wasvery active,outdoosman, COVID, shot, the whole thing.Blood Clot. all I can say is take baby asprin and trust in God.

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    3. The other point relative to small pox vaccine is that it worked. The Covid shot does not create herd immunity which is the ONLY possible justification for mass mandates of the shot.

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    4. Like Doug said, it's all in God's hands. Trust in the lord, not Dr. Fece. I have been taking a full sized aspirin a day for about three years. My doc says that is all I need.

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    5. 77 with kidney disease and diabetes with no covid shots while taking Dr. McCullough's strengthening immunity protocol with vitamins and other over-the-counter meds, not changing my lifestyle and not having covid to my knowledge nor having antibodies as per testing.

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  6. Up here in Canuckistan, it's all Omicron all the time. Just when you think we are turning a corner, there's another "dangerous" variant. I'm determined not to get the booster. I don't think I need it. I am vaxxed, work at home and I am healthy and not overweight. I am totally opposed to vaccine mandates. We aren't vaxxing our way out of this. It's still your body, your choice. Great column, Don.

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    1. As others have pointed out, this jab is NOT a vaccine. We really need to STOP calling it that. It gives legitimacy to something that is far from legitimate.

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  7. Worldwide panic, induced by massive propaganda, of an illness with a 99+% survival rate. Time will tell what the survival rate of the so-called vaccines is. It would certainly help if cause-of-death reporting were honest. If there were ever a time to think for yourself, this is it.

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    1. Time will lie. They gave up their integrity back when they made Adolf the first their man of the year. Smart people trust men and women like Don and Sundance.

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  8. Yes, think for yourself. Do your research. Make an informed choice for yourself.

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  9. It's a little strange how these hysterical 7th grade girls (of all ages) are screaming and yelling and just being hyper-emotionalized.

    The only argument that one *could* make against the unvaccinated is that by being unvaccinated, "the virus" can get into them - and thus they serve as walking petri dishes where new "variants" originate, and those new variants aren't stopped by the extant vaccines, and thus the vaccinated population is susceptible to these new variants.

    Strangely, I haven't heard that argument being made. If they *do* make it, we need to point out that it's all unsupported handwaving, and nothing like that has been demonstrated to have happened. Be prepared for this.

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    1. You forgot that the injected (not a vaccine) all over the world, are getting sicker and dieing more frequently than the injected.

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    2. The latest UK report has data showing that 81% of those dying of the D variant are fully vaccinated. The "vaccines" are not even working as a therapeutic. https://fox26newshenry.com/2021/11/28/the-fully-vaccinated-account-for-81-of-the-covid-deaths-in-the-uk/?fbclid=IwAR0jBMu3c9O5g_HMHyTA1vip7D7jSd8ZlHAs931a5dEDqbLdtbzdzeNTYqQ

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  11. My advice is, read the current Al Goldstein entry on Wikipedia. Pretty much explains it all.

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  12. I find it highly disturbing that the medical powers that think they're in control - like Dr. Fraudci - completely ignore natural immunity and effective treatments.
    It is ignoring science by "Dr. Science" himself.

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  13. Her argument actually was better written than Goldberg's NYT column.

    Probably a lot of that out there.

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    1. Not that either were a demonstration of higher learning.

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  14. Here was the high school senior's argument - "An anti-vaxxer saying 'my body is my choice' as a way to avoid getting vaccinated selfishly makes the conversation about them. If they do not care about their own health, surely they must care about the lives that they put at risk through refusing vaccination.

    "Changing the meaning of 'my body, my choice' from supporting an individual’s rights to control their own reproductive system to supporting an unsafe movement does not make sense and using this argument to promote a false notion of what freedom means selfishly puts others at risk."

    Because her main supporting arguments are false, it is a poorly constructed argument. In the first paragraph she maintains they are putting lives at risk in refusing vaccination. All the data shows how wrong that point is. The vaccine has at best some therapeutic impact, but probably will need modification to keep up as the virus mutates. It was built for the original virus - and we are now two major mutations removed.

    Her second folly is trying to change what Roe said as the basis for its sweeping ruling. Roe didn't care about what the reason was for, for although it was written for abortion, it created out of whole cloth the notion of an overarching right to privacy guaranteed by the Constitution where no right existed.

    So eloquently argued - but totally wrong. Wonderful what the schools teach these days.

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  15. My lovely bride and I bot received the jabs back in February/March. We're both in the 70+ age cohort. In August, we had regular lab work via our PCP and learned that we both had Covid19 antibodies. Neither of us were sick prior to the labs, we were "fully vaxxed", yet we have Covid19 antibodies present in our blood.

    WTF? Perhaps the jab mitigates the sickness? Perhaps the plague is less threatening to the over-70's cohort than thought. Someone explain.

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    1. From the CDCC: Antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can be detected in the blood of people who have recovered from COVID-19 or people who have been vaccinated against COVID-19.
      You may have a problem in getting covid since it has been over 6 months since your last shot from what you wrote. At 6 months J&J effectiveness was reported down to 3%. The other two were I believe in around 30% effective. You need a booster or start Dr. McCullough's or the FLCCC protocol of vitamins and other over the counter meds. Vit D3 tablets need to be taken daily since it takes a while to buildup in the body.

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  16. I and my wife got our shots in Jan and Feb. First one: Arm hurt for 5 days; wife, 7 days. Booster this month; no hurt. Helps to be in a rural area...

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  19. Liberals just want control…of themselves and others. Conservatives opt for freedom both ways.

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