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Tuesday, June 02, 2020

Why people leave the church

Wattles are a-quiver within the mainstream religious hierarchy. President Donald John Trump visited a church.

In their Greta Thunberg voices they demanded How Dare He!

NBC reported, "Lawmakers, former elected officials and religious leaders voiced outrage at President Donald Trump after police used tear gas and flash bangs against peaceful protesters outside the White House to clear the crowd for Trump to do a photo-op at St. John's church on Monday evening.

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif, and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a joint statement that Trump is ripping the country apart when Americans are crying out for unity over the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis last week."

[UPDATE: Park Police deny they used tear gas.]

The peaceful-by-day, arsonist-by-night protesters had tried to burn the church down the night before.

They are trying to tear the nation apart.

I cannot find any condemnation by Pelosi or Schumer of the violence and destruction by Antifa and other Democrats.

Instead Pelosi and Schumer said, "Tear-gassing peaceful protesters without provocation just so that the president could pose for photos outside a church dishonors every value that faith teaches us. We call upon the president, law enforcement and all entrusted with responsibility to respect the dignity and rights of all Americans."


Chief Justice John Roberts and the four Democrat justices just voted to allow Democrats in California to ban attending church on Sunday.

The peaceful and arsonist protesters would not move. The military moved them.

NBC quoted Father James Martin, whom it described as a prominent Jesuit priest and author.

He said, "Using the Bible as a prop while talking about sending in the military, bragging about how your country is the greatest in the world, and publicly mocking people on a daily basis, is pretty much the opposite of all Jesus stood for."

Lincoln used the Bible and prayed for the troops he sent to fight to end slavery.

Then there is the bishop of St. John's, Mariann Edgar Budde.

She said, "I am outraged. The president did not pray when he came to St John’s nor, as you just articulated, did he acknowledge the agony of our country right now — in particular, that of the people of color in our nation who wonder is anyone in public power will ever acknowledge their sacred worth and who are rightfully demanding an end to 400 years of systemic racism and white supremacy in our country … We distance ourselves from the incendiary language of this President."

Our president called for ending the violence that almost destroyed her church.

He never mentioned race.

The politicization of the Bible by Martin, Budde, and other leaders of mainstream churches explains why the Christian Post reported, "Presbyterian Church (USA) recently reported that it lost around 50,000 members and over 100 congregations in 2019, which was hailed as a slowing of their years-long decline.

"The largest Presbyterian denomination in the United States released a report last Thursday regarding the current membership and church numbers.

"From 2018 to 2019, PC(USA) went from approximately 1,352,000 active members to approximately 1,302,000 members, or a drop of around 50,000.

"The number of congregations belonging to PC(USA) also declined, going from 9,161 in 2018 to 9,041 in 2019. This is around 400 fewer congregations than the denomination had in 2016.

"The Rev. Dr. J. Herbert Nelson, II, stated clerk of the PC(USA) General Assembly, said that report was good news since membership did not drop below the 1.3 million mark."

Communists are destroying American churches from within through mobs on the outside and liberals on the inside.


  1. When you stop preaching Christ Crucified, you are no longer serving GOD.
    These congregations have replaced GOD'S word with the words of men.
    First they misplaced the ending now they've lost the plot.

    1. that started when man elevated a man to son of god status, and replaced God's word with son of god words.

    2. Must be a Jehovah’s Witness. But, from a right understanding both of Genesis and John 1, we know that Jesus Christ is God and has been God (3 in 1) from the beginning of time. You should look at the history of your own organization before you start making false claims.

    3. I joined an independent bible teaching church, i was a formerly Catholic but realized they didn't teach the word. I'm glad I avoided the snares of the JW's.

  2. The millenial looking pastor of St John's said he was grateful the mob "had only burned the basement". He expressed no outrage at all for the perps nor any respect for Trump. Gone are the days of the warrior priests. Their feeble empires will follow them into dust and slavery.

    1. Mcallum was interviewing a male last nightwho she was introd as the pastor. Maybe he is a trans.

  3. I said this in the prior post but it is more apt here.

    In the Mediate article quoting bishop Buttle, one of the commenters said “the episcopal church welcomes everyone except Christians”.

    The hatred among commenters in the Mediate article is disgusting.

  4. In a related insane report:

    --- De Blasio: NYC ‘Fully Under Control and Overwhelmingly Calm and Peaceful’ – Extends Tuesday Curfew to 8 p.m.

    Headline Breitbart Ian Hanchett --- 1 Jun 2020

    ---Looters Grab $2.4 Million Worth of Watches from Soho Rolex Store

    John Carney --- Headline Breitbart 1 Jun 2020


    Looters discover that they're all Chinese Communist-made fakes; watches all set to Beijing time. Both the hour and the minute hands are bat wings.

  5. Also Don The UMC just split probably into like a 90/10 split given the membership numbers. The Libs could not handle the fact that the non-US jurisdictions wouldn't go along with their nonsense. And the largest membership UMC churches which are orthodox would not go along with it any longer either, especially all the violations of the Book of Discipline that the Bishops and Judicial Council would not enforce. So as the Mainstream Liberal Protestants will eventually need to plead with the government for funding to stay alive once their legacy funds are gone.

  6. Yeah! Numbers of folks leaving PC-USA has stopped....kind of like the voter rolls. Our church finally threw in the towel on the PCUSA commies/multiple-ways-to-heaven church in 2013, after 10 years fighting liberals from inside. It only cost 3 million in ransom to leave. Shook the dust from our sandals.

    1. Congrats. I actually left Religion after having 3 really bad experiences with Churches. I love God, worship him and Jesus but I am not putting up with someone telling me how to worship when it is their interpretation of God's word, NOT God's word.

    2. When I want to talk to God I sit on a rock in the forest and admire all treasure God has given us, Even those pesky squirrels that are really cute as long as they stay out of my attic. Or look into a new born baby's eyes. God is there too.

  7. James Martin SJ is a "leading" alright; leading homosexualist. He puts the "SJ" into LBGTQSJ

    1. Fr. Martin is not respected by many of us Catholics. I'm not surprised by what he said.

    2. Few Jesuits seem to be real Catholics any more, mainly coopted into (or leading and teaching) liberation theology. Sadly, that goes for our current Pope.

  8. SJ: suck Jocks?

  9. Think about it -- these churches - Presbyterian, Episcopal, Lutheran and Methodist -- were the founding churches in this country. Three of them have been decimated by the left, and the 4th (UMC) is on its way. And the leftists running these so-called Churches don't care.

    1. Then they wonder why Evangelical churches are growing. I'm now a Baptist. My Lutheran roots go back to the Reformation but in my town i had little choice but to go to the Baptists after the Mo
      synod church wouldn't give up associating with the ELCA. I take associating with apostates seriously.Sad to see the mainline Churches go. I had and ancestor that was a Scots Presbyterian
      who did not hold slave but was an orchardist-in 1700's Virginia.
      Wife had several Methodist circuit rider Ancestors . all gone with a communist wind..

  10. I am a sinful man - like, you couldn’t tell from some of my posts? - but I do believe this:

    “ I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

    I saw the vid clip of Antifa Brian giving himself (sort of) up to the Pissburgh authorities. Just the sheer wooden awkwardness of his parents’ interactions told me they were either divorced or separated. The local press actually did its job and contacted, then visited, their “residence” (overgrown with weeds) but with Antifa Bri and his brother (?) still living there. Broken family. Sad, but whatever. Throw the freakin book at him. Only God can fix that kind of mess, AND IT BEGINS WITH ADMITTING YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.

  11. The president did not pray when he came to St John’s

    Neither did Winnie Churchill when he paid St Paul's after the Luftwaffe paid a visit.

    All he said was, "We'll make them pay for this".

    Great men think alike.

  12. The irony of the leftists, including the so-called "religious" leaders, of calling out Trump, or others on their religious behavior, while themselves quoting the Bible, or mentioning values, does not escape them, nor go over their heads. They just don't care, because they are not into Christianity, they are into power through Marxism, and one of their biggest prophets, Alinsky, tells them through his commandments (Alinsky's rules for radicals), to "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." Thus, how Auntie Nan can avoid condemning the protestors and proclaim: "We call upon the president, law enforcement and all entrusted with responsibility to respect the dignity and rights of all Americans." Meanwhile, they disrespect the rights of unborn babies killed everyday via abortions, the dead from everyday shootings in Chicago, and the victims of the so-called "protestors" who had their businesses razed, burned, and looted.

    I often wondered how they could be so callous and hypocritical, while calling out others. I long ago figured it out. They have no souls.


  13. "Communists are destroying American churches from within through mobs on the outside and liberals on the inside."

    Profound, Friend Surber, very profound.

    1. Godless communists. Always wanted to ask any outspoken preacher who is on the payroll, "why were Paul and Timothy tentmakers? Does the payroll keep you preaching?"

  14. Might as well repeat it here:

    "Episcopalians Confused By Strange Book Trump Brought To Church"

    From, of course, America's Newspaper of Record:

  15. Fr. James Martin a Jesuit? That explains it all. Jesuits have transformed themselves into Episcopalians.

  16. As I watched that race from the Whitehouse to the church house my heart soared and I cheered my tv like it was sports (remember sports?) and my team was winning.
    Knew he'd be crucified by the press, and knew it was necessary to point out that divide between them and us. I hope more thems will see the light.

    1. I felt the same way. My God, I love this man. Politicians are always saying "I will fight for you." Trump actually does it. He fights for us deplorables.

  17. The bishop said Trump didn't have permission to hold up the Bible. But, according to that same Bible, Bishop Budde doesn't have permission to be a bishop. 1 Timothy 3: 1-3

  18. It seems that the mainline Protestants and the Jesuits have forsaken the First Commandment (Thou shall have no other God before Me) by elevating the word of Karl Marx over the Holy Scripture. The Evangelicals got it right and are growing while the aforementioned are in decline.

  19. I have found far too many churches have turned from the Word of God and the Church leaders have taken to reinterpreting what God really meant in the Scriptures.
    In a number of meetings with the Pastor I asked quite a few times how can he reconcile the Church organization going against what Scripture says and instead turning the meaning of the words into the opposite of what has become official church policy.

    It is heart breaking to see so many Churches being overrun by people who do not believe the Word of God as it is written, but as they see fit to allow their secular views to be allowed regardless of what Scripture says. The standard reply from Pastors and clergy is that the Bible was written for a more ignorant people, and that we are now more enlightened. My standard reply is then to ask if God is all knowing, how would God have allowed parts of the Bible to be false? How can God be wrong? If God is wrong, then the religious organizations that follow His Word are wrong, and nothing more than a social club.

    God's commands and laws are not meant for us to be comfortable in our sin, and to make allowances for us to do as we please shielded by belief in Christ. We are commanded to repent of our sin, and then go and sin no more.

    What really changed most of these Church organizations is they focused only on the love of God, not on his Words and Commands. When we reject a majority of the Scriptures we ultimately reject God.

  20. I am impressed that you mention Chief Justice Roberts and the Archbishop in the same article, and I appreciate a previous comment about I would assume both preferring Marxism to the Holy Scripture. Roberts seems to suscribe to the idea that rather than God creating man it is man who has created God. As both are man-made you chose your pleasure, a Hollywood movie or a religious service. My shopping experence puts me within a foot and a half of other customers in a narrow aisle, whereas a distance of 12-15 feet was maintained during services even before the Government stepped in to prohibit this. As now 'science' and 'health' are valid and legal reasons for prohibiting religious practice, I can only imagine where the next attack on practices mandated by God will come from.
    It is a sad day when the President can be prevented from walking down the street from the White House by even the most peaceful demonstrators. They have no right to block a public thoroughfare without special permission and permits. The church in question has historic connotations, and the Archbishop is only a temporary caretaker, as indeed we all are on our earthly possessions. Apparently he prefers to honor the incendiaries rather thn the President, who gives him honor by his gesture. There is however aome justification for jumping to the conclusion it was a photo op, as we just had eight years of a President who did nothing other than photo ops, so I understand one might be tempted to assume this President is no better.

  21. I left the Episcopal Church 20 years ago due to it's move far left and socialism. It is a dying church through out the US! In 20 years there will be no more operating Episcopal churches!

  22. When the smoke bombs cleared, the America which deplores this senseless violence had seen something so remarkable that the conservative media can feast for years on its implications.

    That white dude with the weird hairdo strutted out there where a rifle could have ended him.

    Sure, there were a zillion cops there, but that would have been no different for even Hussein or the Shrub, much less (*choke*) Hillary, bravely serving out the remaining three years eleven months of Biden’s term. (But I digress!)

    The big point here is that neither Obama nor Bush would have left the White House, or emerged from their security bunker.
    In contrast, OUR duly-elected national leader, despised or loved doesn’t matter, walked out there in plain view and told those animals he was not afraid.

    The amazing young Lafayette after whom that park was named would today stand on the tavern table hoisting his tankard to the idea that Americans will tolerate no bullies, ever. Donald John Trump is surely no shrinking violet.

    We tracked and killed Osama bin Laden, at the time believed invulnerable. We did it again and again to any declared enemy of America who strikes us first.

    Next is the internal round-up of people who have acted against our collective national good. STASI and Gestapo and other jaded faded symbols of leftist derision will be employed. Yawn. They'll still get one call at Booking.

    When the smoke bombs cleared in Lafayette Square, America and the world saw a two-legged symbol, our literal Buck-Stops-Here guy, telling punks and vandals, YOUR ride is done.

    It was not a man but America saying, We are not afraid. Even of ourselves.

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