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Saturday, January 18, 2020

WaPo shocked to learn Trump is the commander in chief



Two Washington Post reporters have a new book, A Very Stable Genius: Donald J. Trump’s Testing of America, on sale on Tuesday. Jeff Bezos gave it an excerpt in his newspaper. Others in the media are trying to pump up sales as well.

The premise of the excerpt was that President Donald John Trump dressed his generals down in a meeting in July 2017.

The Daily Beast reported, "The book states that the meeting took place six months into Trump’s presidency after his generals became concerned about “gaping holes” in Trump’s knowledge of America’s key alliances. The idea was to bring Trump to the Pentagon’s Situation Room, where military leaders, so the plan went, would give him a crash course on who America’s allies were, why they were worth keeping on side, and where on earth they were located."

It is called condescension. Pentagon officials thought they knew more about geography than a man who built skyscrapers and resorts around the world.

The story said, "However, the meeting seems to have descended into chaos almost immediately. Tillerson, then-Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, and National Economic Council Director Gary Cohn reportedly took turns trying to explain their points to Trump. But Trump is said to have first appeared bored out of his mind before he got increasingly angry.

"The account states Trump repeatedly interrupted the lesson after apparently being triggered by a word or phrase uttered by the military leaders. One example given is that he heard the word base during the lesson, which sparked him into launching a tirade about how crazy and stupid it was that the U.S. paid to build and maintain bases overseas."

Lesson?

Really?

If this account is true then how intelligent are Tillerson, Mattis, Cohn, and the generals? Were they all asleep when he said he was going to get NATO allies to live up to their promises on defense spending?

The story said, "Trump is then said to have complained about President Barack Obama’s Iranian nuclear deal, and the length of the war in Afghanistan. Each time, his generals reportedly tried to gently explain why his view of these complex geopolitical issues might not be entirely accurate. It was reportedly during a conversation about Afghanistan that Trump blew his top."

Gently?

Who in the hell did these dopes and babies think they are?

The first thing a recruit learns in basic training is the chain of command. At the top is the commander-in-chief, the President of the United States. I do not care how many stars you have, the president is the commander-in-chief.

The story said, "The president reportedly called Afghanistan a 'loser war,' and told his military leaders: 'You’re all losers... You don’t know how to win anymore... I want to win... We don’t win any wars anymore... We spend $7 trillion, everybody else got the oil and we’re not winning anymore.' It’s reported that Trump was so angry at this point that he wasn’t breathing properly."

The book said Tillerson was upset.

I suppose Mattis was too.

So what?

Their job was to help the president and to carry out his orders. They are gone now.

The story said, "One senior official summed up the meeting: 'We needed to change how he thinks about this, to course correct... They were dismayed and in shock when not only did it not have the intended effect, but he dug in his heels and pushed it even further on the spectrum, further solidifying his views.'"

America is being told half the story. We need the president's side.

President Trump is in charge. They don't like it.

They are not dealing with another pushover president. That is the whole problem in Washington. None of the GS-18s or flag officers seem to understand that they ran the country wrong. The people elected Donald John Trump president to grab the bureaucrats by the eyeteeth and shake them.

You can be darned sure that he knows why we have NATO. After devastating Europe, America had to protect it from being overrun by the Soviet Union.

The USSR died on December 25, 1991. NATO should have died with it. Bush 41 let the military and foreign service bureaucracy keep it alive.

We should be done with Afghanistan, and we should also exit Korea. And the Middle East. Maybe this commander-in-chief can pull it off, much to the dismay of the Pentagon and the Intelligence Community, which do not run him. He runs them.

33 comments:

  1. I agree fully on the wisdom of pulling our military out--completely--from these stupid wasteful and very poorly conceived nation building misadventures. I give our entire foreign policy / military intelligence complex a big fat "F" for their actions over the past 30 years. Their disrespect of the taxpayer and the waste and cavalier overspending is off the charts. Time to end it all.

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    1. I agree, but that would cut off the money flowing into the pockets of all these corrupt politicians. That will never happen. Sad but true.

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  2. I was an editorial writer too, Don. I recall writing an editorial for the Detroit News in 1992 calling for winding up NATO. (The headline, as I recall, was "Bring the Boys Home.") Instead of that, Bush 41 let the foreign policy establishment talk him into EXPANDING NATO. SMH....

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    1. Most of the old NATO allies are simply not allies anymore. France and Germany in particular are actually our enemies and have been siding with our enemies since well before the fall of the Soviet Union.

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    2. How true... ever since the German Unification... and continuing after the fall of CCCP.

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  3. As if right on cue (!), the LibCommies unveil their latest fantasy: The United States military will side with THEM in bringing Trump down. Dream the fook on, pussy hats. Sure, there are a few like Lieutenant Cupcake Vindman, but all the rank and file are Americans first, last, and always. I’d be super worried about Virginia right now if I were you, you fooking pussies.

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    1. Apparently quite a bit of the top brass spent their careers marinating in swamp water. But the grunts and field commanders are on Trump's side.

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    2. Which is why he has been visiting them and speaking to them to get their input and know he has their back. Some leftists have this fantasy that if all else fails they can rely on the local Praetorian Guard to depose Trump. The locals might go along with it but I doubt the regulars would. Might end up in a bloody mess with a lot of progressive officers being fragged. I very much hope we don't come to that.

      TarsTarkas

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    3. Of corse you mean the "top brass" after Obama's great purge.

      President Trump needs to continue his slow purge.

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    4. Evidently the top brass didn't realize with President Trump's election we now have a new sheriff in town but a new Commander in Chief, now they know.

      Kate

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  4. Bring troops home? Ya mean the dozen troops injured by bombs from Iran two of which died?

    One day the neocons cheer dropping more bombs, the next day they say its time to come home. A classic bait and switch of course, because as soon as fake news declares someone is a threat Trump will drop more bombs.

    Today’s Republican Party is a collection of rural interests from flyover country, handmaidens of the military industrial complex and, most important, militant evangelical Christians who see the world through the spectrum of the Old Testament.

    Israel’s far right has come to dominate American evangelists by selling them a bill of goods about the End of Days and the Messiah’s return. Many of these rubes see Trump as a quasi-religious figure.

    Mix the religious cultists – about 25% of the US population – with the farm and Israel lobbies and the mighty military industrial complex and no wonder the United States has veered off into the deep waters of irrationality and crusading ardor.

    Meanwhile they keep the rubes attention with promises of ending wars. At the first sign of that a new threat will suddenly like magic appear. It always does.

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    1. The military leadership is a bunch of cowards. They won' t dare bombs a nation that can fight back. Not a chance.

      All the war party wants and manufactures is a steady supply of foreign villains (preferably Muslims) who can be occasionally bombed back to the early Islamic age.

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    2. The chant of jihad is the muslim version of heil hitler.

      The muslim does not require bombings to return to the mid-evil times which are firmly implanted in their barbaric minds.

      Make Iran Great Again = MIGA!!!

      From the word amiga, femine tense!!!

      The metoo hashtag generation has failed to support any and all the multiudes of females being hourly subjected to mid-evil level atrocity of the barbaric muslim jihadists.

      Whether screaming alla ackbeer or heil hitler, the muslims proclaim their intent.

      And pansyboy here posts comment rudundant + own reply redundant thereto, and is hereby known for what he/she is.

      A party pooper.


      MIGA!!!!!

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    3. Thank you, Don, for clarifying proper chain of command principals. The swamp thinks they are in charge. Proper obedience to the commander in chief is as follows:
      #1) Obey immediately.
      #2) Obey completely.
      #3) Obey respectfully.
      #4) Obey joyfully.
      And you're right. If we listened to Patton instead of allowing the "DEEP STATE" to murder him there would have been no USSR.

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  5. And I am shocked to learn that the Washington Post is really a newspaper. What a piece of garbage.

    Such condescension towards PDJT. If anyone still thinks he is as stupid as they try to make him out to be, then they are the stupid ones.

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  6. Do Deep Staters dream of Electric Sheep?

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  7. We don’t win any wars anymore...

    Because they have to make n ice to the Democrats.

    PS Mattis is later reported to have said to Tillerson, "He's a focking moron".

    I'm always suspicious of Lefty Marines, especially ones that call themselves Warrior Monks.

    Give me the ones called Old Hickory, Rough And Ready, Black Jack, Little Phil, and Vinegar Joe.

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    1. I don’t believe he said that. If tillerson was upset, he should have resigned. Matt is is career military and ingrained that the POTUS is Commander in Chief. Same rules, he wouldn’t bad mouth behind his back while serving, but rather resign and bad mouth as a civilian. This article was made up, no way a leaker would know wat everyone was thinking.

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  8. I respectfully disagree with the notion of ending NATO when the USSR died. We should have expanded it, included former Warsaw pact countries as fast as they could embrace democratic civilization, then once the babies were on their feet and off to school, left the house to them to manage.

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  9. The Vaping summit is on youtube. If you watch it, you see Trump is dynamic in these meetings, always questioning. This is not the old way. Those showing up with their script are disrupted by the questioning. In contrast, Romney is there and pipes up with his already made up opinion, and side by side with Trump looks like he's only there for the cameras, which was accurate.

    Trump questions, even when he agrees, to flesh out the matter. This disrupts those who come with their script, but not nimble, or informed, enough to know their topic. As such, Trump is a terror to the kabuki theater actors.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9o2Y5LiFAk&feature=youtu.be&t=1984

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  10. Ann Althouse and her Commenters are rather good on this subject:https://althouse.blogspot.com/2020/01/i-wouldnt-go-to-war-with-you-people.html

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    1. From Althouse:

      January 17, 2020
      "'I wouldn’t go to war with you people,' Trump told the assembled brass.... You’re a bunch of dopes and babies.'"
      "For a president known for verbiage he euphemistically called 'locker room talk,' this was the gravest insult he could have delivered to these people, in this sacred space. The flag officers in the room were shocked. Some staff began looking down at their papers, rearranging folders, almost wishing themselves out of the room. A few considered walking out. They tried not to reveal their revulsion on their faces, but questions raced through their minds. 'How does the commander in chief say that?' one thought. 'What would our worst adversaries think if they knew he said this?'... Tillerson in particular was stunned by Trump’s diatribe and began visibly seething. For too many minutes, others in the room noticed, he had been staring straight, dumbfounded, at Mattis, who was speechless, his head bowed down toward the table. Tillerson thought to himself, 'Gosh darn it, Jim, say something. Why aren’t you saying something?'... The meeting soon ended and Trump walked out.... Standing in the hall with a small cluster of people he trusted, Tillerson finally let down his guard. 'He’s a f---ing moron'...."

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      Leland said...

      Hmmm, I was just listening to the book "Holding the Line" by Mattis's speechwriter. He talks about this meeting, but never mentioned anything like this. And the speechwriter is definitely no fan of Trump.
      1/17/20, 10:34 AM

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    2. 1. Trump would have called them pussies.

      2. If he really said it then why didn't we hear about it within hours of it happening? Washington DC leaks like the Clenis.

      3. OTOH, I can see Trump insulting them to see how they react. The Pentagon is no place for hothouse flowers, inflated egos, snivellers and/or butt-kissers.

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    3. Thanks lyn5.

      Guy Snodgrass, author of "Holding the Line" did describe the presentation to Donald Trump the way Don Surber is here. It was intended to be a lesson to Trump on the importance of allies, and Sondgrass description is, as Surber suggests, condescending. The notion was Tillerson and Mattis disagreed with Trump's approach to NATO, and like Surber, I think they missed Trump's campaign.

      Snodgrass does say Trump was agitated but did not mention anything about Trump saying Mattis was "dope" or a "baby". Snodgrass also went on a podcast to make clear he wasn't apart of this book. That said Snodgrass disliked Trump from the beginning. He describes the day Trump won, that others were celebrating but he did not. On the other hand, Snodgrass book reads like that of a Mattis sycophant. Mattis certainly is someone to respect, but one should respect themselves while doing show.

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  11. You just know that the Pentagon has wargamed every possible scenario.

    General: "Now suppose Hungary attacks NATO..."

    Colonel: "Err, Hungary is a MEMBER of NATO, sir."

    General: "Croatia?"

    Colonel: "Member also, sir."

    General: "Well shoot, who ISN'T a member of NATO?"

    Colonel: "Ummm... New Zealand, sir?"

    General: "Excellent! We'll kick their little kiwifruit asses!"

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  12. Conspiring or colluding to manipulate the CinC borders on mutiny. Around the world we have enemies and frenemies and allies we can't trust and a very small group of allies we CAN trust.

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  13. Flag officers tremble at the thought of their Kevlar rice bowls being broken. Wars provide them upward mobility, merit badges, and cushy commentator jobs after retirement. When was the last time a Flag officer died in combat?

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    1. Kevlar rice bowls ... Well played damm i am going to use that one. Federal employment, with its pensions and lifelong benefits, has gotten way too generous imo and the taxpayer cant foot the bill for it any longer. Our military was never set up so that enlistees could get their thrift savings program and a pension.

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  14. It has been and continues to be true that our friends are our friends because they are bought friends. Limited friends, you could say. Limited in that we and these countries have certain agreements but those agreements do not preclude other agreements that may clash. Real friends are few and far between.

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  15. A great column and interesting comments. To sum it all up, Trump wants to put American interests first in order to M.A.G.A.

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  16. In Afghanistan our objective supposedly was to stop the support of Islamists by the Taliban for the 9/11 attack on NYC.  We succeeded with the CIA/Northern Alliance attack on the Taliban in conjunction with carpet bombing by B-52s.  Then we should have left some advisers, taken our small force out of Afghanistan and waited to see the reaction with a warning we would return if needed.  Nation building in a tribal country was ridiculous.  In Iraq, when a US general was in charge of the country after our victory, a fiend spent months safely driving around Iraq assessing the needs to restore their electrical power system.  But the politicians had to take over Iraq and disbanded the Iraqi military; something we did not even do in Japan after WWII under Gen. MacArthur's control. 
    No lessons learned by our elites.

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  17. You have to stop thinking of NATO as "NATO"... it's become the military for the Deep State. When the gloablists get sick of ghaddafi trying to ruin their oil portfolios with his dreams of a reserve currency, who do they turn to? NATO, to bomb his country and kill him. NATO does not serve our interests anymore, it has become the standing military for these globalists and their shadow foreign policies.

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