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Friday, August 04, 2017

Aussie PM agrees with Trump on immigration

Much was ado on Thursday after the Washington Post threw shade on democracy by publishing bits of the transcripts of President Trump's phone calls with the heads of state of Australia and Mexico.

But the fact that Jeff Bezos and his propaganda ministry are anti-America is well-established, and nothing can be done about it. I read the transcript and found Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull gave good advice.

Via the Guardian:
TRUMP: That is exactly right. We do have similar backgrounds and it seems to be working in this climate – it is a crazy climate. Let me tell you this, it is an evil time but it is a complex time because we do not have uniforms standing in front of us. Instead, we have people in disguise. It is brutal. This Isis thing – it is something we are going to devote a lot of energy to it. I think we are going to be very successful.
TURNBULL: Absolutely. We have, as you know, taken a very strong line on national security and border protection here and when I was speaking with Jared Kushner just the other day and one of your immigration advisors in the White House we reflected on how our policies have helped to inform your approach. We are very much of the same mind. It is very interesting to know how you prioritize the minorities in your executive order. This is exactly what we have done with the program to bring in 12,000 Syrian refugees, 90% of which will be Christians. It will be quite deliberate and the position I have taken – I have been very open about it – is that it is a tragic fact of life that when the situation in the Middle East settles down – the people that are going to be most unlikely to have a continuing home are those Christian minorities. We have seen that in Iraq and so from our point of view, as a final destination for refugees, that is why we prioritize. It is not a sectarian thing. It is recognition of the practical political realities. We have a similar perspective in that respect.
So Australia is not helping Muslim refugees from Syria, but the Christian ones.

Turnbull wanted the United States to take refugees off Australia's hands, but not sight unseen.
TRUMP: Who made the deal? Obama?
TURNBULL: Yes, but let me describe what it is. I think it is quite consistent. I think you can comply with it. It is absolutely consistent with your executive order so please just hear me out. The obligation is for the United States to look and examine and take up to and only if they so choose – 1,250 to 2,000. Every individual is subject to your vetting. You can decide to take them or to not take them after vetting. You can decide to take 1,000 or 100. It is entirely up to you. The obligation is to only go through the process. So that is the first thing. Secondly, the people — none of these people are from the conflict zone. They are basically economic refugees from Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. That is the vast bulk of them. They have been under our supervision for over three years now and we know exactly everything about them.
TRUMP: Why haven’t you let them out? Why have you not let them into your society?
TURNBULL: OK, I will explain why. It is not because they are bad people. It is because in order to stop people smugglers, we had to deprive them of the product. So we said if you try to come to Australia by boat, even if we think you are the best person in the world, even if you are a Nobel Prize winning genius, we will not let you in. Because the problem with the people —
TRUMP: That is a good idea. We should do that too. You are worse than I am.
TURNBULL: This is our experience.
TRUMP: Because you do not want to destroy your country. Look at what has happened in Germany. Look at what is happening in these countries. These people are crazy to let this happen. I spoke to Merkel today, and believe me, she wishes she did not do it. Germany is a mess because of what happened.
TURNBULL: I agree with you, letting one million Syrians walk into their country. It was one of the big factors in the Brexit vote, frankly.
Australia has 12 million people -- about 4% of America's population. Multiply that 2,000 by 25 and it would be like adding 50,000 people to America.

Australia has 24 million people -- about 8% of America's population. Multiply that 2,000 by 12.5 and it would be like adding 25,000 people to America.

I can see his problem.

I do not necessarily agree with his solution.

However, Turnbull agreed with Trump about the migrant problem. And he talked Trump into taking 1,250 refugees -- contingent upon vetting.
TURNBULL: Please, if we can agree to stick to the deal, you have complete discretion in terms of a security assessment. The numbers are not 2,000 but 1,250 to start. Basically, we are taking people from the previous administration that they were very keen on getting out of the United States. We will take more. We will take anyone that you want us to take. The only people that we do not take are people who come by boat. So we would rather take a not very attractive guy that help you out then to take a Nobel Peace Prize winner that comes by boat. That is the point.
TRUMP: What is the thing with boats? Why do you discriminate against boats? No, I know, they come from certain regions. I get it.
TURNBULL:No, let me explain why. The problem with the boats it that you are basically outsourcing your immigration program to people smugglers and also you get thousands of people drowning at sea. So what we say is, we will decide which people get to come to Australia who are refugees, economic migrants, businessmen, whatever. We decide. That is our decision. We are a generous multicultural immigration nation like the United States but the government decides, the people’s representatives decides. So that is the point. I am a highly transactional businessman like you and I know the deal has to work for both sides. Now Obama thought this deal worked for him and he drove a hard bargain with us – that it was agreed with Obama more than a year ago in the Oval Office, long before the election. The principles of the deal were agreed to.
Australia vets its immigrants. Not Brussels. Not human traffickers -- smugglers.

It has a great border wall called the Pacific Ocean. (Obama: "You did not build that!")

I have no idea who leaked the call. Given typos in the transcript (Malcom instead of Malcolm for the prime minister) probably the White House. Makes sense. It discredits the Washington Post and disseminates the information about what Australia's policy is.

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  1. I found the transcripts to reflect positively on President Trump and discredited the initial WaPo and other left wing accounts reporting that Trump abruptly ended the call by slamming the phone down.

    This makes me wonder if it isn't Kelly's first foray into identifying the leaker(s). Your comment about mis-spellings reinforces it.

  2. Australian population is 24 million, kind sir.

    1. The population more or less of Texas, spread across an island the size of the 48 states, with no land borders.

  3. That is by far the best thing I have ever read about Malcolm. His reputation is that of someone who can outspin a weathervane in a tornado; here he sounds more sensible than I would have believed.

    Also, Anonymous above is correct; it was a long, long time ago when Oz only had 12 million.

    1. 24 million. Ooops. I shall fix. Thank you!

  4. The Aussies wised up a few years ago, and tossed out the Labour Party.

  5. I enjoyed reading that. Anyone who reads that knows Trump is serious about protecting America.