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Tuesday, February 14, 2017

Flynn lied, goodbye

Pardon me but I refuse to join the chorus of conservatives who say General Flynn got screwed by the press.

He lied.

Goodbye.

President Trump has a very low tolerance for controversy in others. He generates enough controversy -- most of it by choice -- without having to deal with a controversy outside his control.

So goodbye.

Yes, he will stand by his people, but only so far. Corey Lewandowski -- who never was expected to help in the general election -- had to exit because of that false charge of battery by a bimbo reporter (I forget her name and she is not worth two seconds Googling).

Trump would have kept him on for the general election in a smaller role, as Trump did with spokeswoman Katrina Pierson, who clearly was in over her head.

But Lewandowski attracted bad vibes. Since it was not Lewandowski's fault, Trump kept him on the payroll until he could land a gig at CNN.

Flynn is another matter. Flynn lied to Vice President Mike Pence (who seems to have earned Trump's trust and certainly has as big a role in the administration as Cheney and Biden did under their presidents).

The Washington Post reported:
In a letter to Trump, Flynn said he had “inadvertently briefed the Vice President Elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian ambassador. I have sincerely apologized to the president and the vice president.”
Trump smelled the bullshit, and out goes Flynn.

A CEO cannot tolerate a liar. Goodbye.

And you can see why. Rather than man up and admit he lied, Flynn came up with the lamest excuse imaginable.

Now then, Trump is correct when he tweeted, "The real story here is why are there so many illegal leaks coming out of Washington? Will these leaks be happening as I deal on N.Korea etc?"

But that does not excuse Flynn's lying.

Yes, the press smells blood in the water and will ramp up efforts to foul out other key Trump officials.

So what?

Were they not going to do that anyway?

Good call by Trump.

By the way, Barack Obama would not have fired Flynn because politicians never fire a liar. Look at Lois Lerner. CEOs do.

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42 comments:

  1. It is true that he lied but this is the first casualty of the Deep State in its attempt to dominate the Trump administration. President Trump needs to declassify everything about the Iran Deal and other Obama dealings that are directly against the interests of the United States of America. In addition he needs to fire every Obama appointment throughout the Administration. Today.

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    1. Agreed. But I think this was a casualty we could afford. I don't think he was fully on the team. He was an Obama appointee who was against Erdogan until he hired his firm and then he was for him.

      Too many Qs about his actions. I can't imagine Mattis doing these things.

      Best that the Deep State expose itself against one that doesn't matter. The so-called turmoil doesn't bother me.

      All these delays in confirmation are revealed for what they are meant to be. To keep leakers and spies for progressives in place.

      Let this be exposed and let the loathing of the Deep State grow.

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  2. Wait and see. Keep the faith.

    I didn't get onboard the Trump Train until after casting my vote for Cruz in the Virginia primary.

    I'm not deluded enough to think President Trump is perfect, but after being surprised from watching him pull rabbits from his hat about two hundred times, I finally realized that this is *his* world and that the rest of us just live in it.

    Yes. I am a slow learner.

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  3. On point.
    There's some strange shakeouts coming me thinks.

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  4. This incident has become a good object lesson for everyone. This is a lean, mean, administratin' machine. Now to track down the source(s) of the leaks. But please, don't call them plumbers. - Elric

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    1. What leaks?? This has nothing to do with the press or leaks. The Justice Department told the White House three weeks ago that Flynn has compromised U.S. law and U.S. security with his illegal dealings with Russia. The press has nothing to do with Flynn's transgressions coming to light.
      The press should be asking Trump that if the DOJ labeled Flynn a "threat to U.S. National Security" three weeks ago, then why was Flynn allowed to have top priority security clearance from then until his resignation. Putin is laughing his arse off at the U.S. and Trump right now.
      Surber - no [sane] conservative is saying Flynn got screwed by the press. Shrewd of you to suggest otherwise though.

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    2. How were Flynn's actions "illegal"? What Flynn did has apparently been done by previous transition teams before.

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    3. Violated the Logan Act

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    4. How about using the Logan Act on anyone to whom it may apply. Where was all this talk about the Logan Act in the last eight years?

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    5. Sure - who violated it in the last 8 years?

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    6. @Anon: Democrat Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii, that's who. And if you want to go farther back, what about Ted Kennedy's alleged request of the Russian government to intervene in an American presidential election? Did Kennedy get indicted?

      And what about Obama's promise to the Russians that he would be "more flexible" in relations with them if he won re-election in 2012? Was he speaking as the sitting president, or as a candidate to office (albeit a sitting president who was running for re-election)? Given the venue, I'd say a case could be made he was speaking as candidate, which is not entirely dissimilar to the status Flynn was in when he spoke to the Russians.

      On the other hand, the Logan Act was enacted back in 1799. Not one person has ever been indicted for violating it, so why does it suddenly become so selectively important now?

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  5. Gotta love the "whataboutism" with the Obama references. A full Congressional hearing on Lerner's actions was held within weeks of her actions being exposed. We can only hope the same holds true for Flynn.
    I swear, I think Putin is beginning to wonder if his Trump puppets are up for the task of turning America into his image.

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    1. Lerner was never fired. She 'retired' virtually unpunished.

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  6. The media took out a democrat in President Trump's administration. Maybe President Trump will think twice before selecting another democrat.

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  7. Flynn is a casualty of war -- there will be more on both sides. Anyone who wants to hang out at the beach burying the dead instead of attacking is going to lose.

    Flynn was a self-inflicted wound. He effed himself by misleading/lying to Pence and letting Pence go on TV with that lie. Of course Obama loyalists/Trump enemies would leak the transcript proving Flynn lied. It doesn't matter that the substance of the call is a nothing burger --Flynn had to go and he did the honorable thing.

    This is like a football game -- at the start no one has won so every play is hyped -- every tackle, every completed pass is cheered and the players high five. But in the end, despite all the cheering and high fiving, only one team wins and the other loses. The Dems right now are cheering and high fiving the 9th Circuit and Flynn but the game is far from over. And Trump has proved time and again in the primary and GE that he plays the long game.

    Trump wins because he stays moving, always on attack. And he doesn't sacrifice the good for the perfect -- he makes a good plan and violently executes it making quick adjustments as needed. In this case, Flynn, who had to go so Trump could get back on offense.

    ~Angie

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  8. Don, you don't know that Flynn lied to VP Pence because neither you nor anyone else here has seen the transcripts of Flynn's phone conversations with the Ruskies, which were being secretly tapped by the CIA. Flynn may have lied or may have, as he said in his resignation letter, given Pence an incomplete assessment of his phone conversations (echoes of the Scooter Libby-Valerie Plame scandal here). The transcripts would settle the issue, and that's what Trump should or may have looked at. In any event, it was illegal for a government official to leak the contents of those phone transcripts to the press. What we have here is a coup d'etat by the CIA. Now THAT's damned scary. Everyone in the Firm who may have had access to those transcripts should be required to take a lie detector test and the rat who leaked the contents of the transcript should be indicted and prosecuted for his crime.

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    1. Actually, I do. Flynn said he “inadvertently briefed the Vice President Elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian ambassador. I have sincerely apologized to the president and the vice president.”

      I read this as covering up, he lied.

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    2. We will have to agree to disagree on whether WE KNOW that he lied.

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    3. According to Eli Lake:

      "The New York Times and Washington Post reported that the transcript of the phone call reviewed over the weekend by the White House could be read different ways. One White House official with knowledge of the conversations told me that the Russian ambassador raised the sanctions to Flynn and that Flynn responded that the Trump team would be taking office in a few weeks and would review Russia policy and sanctions. That's neither illegal nor improper. "

      Right, Flynn "lied" and would be subject to Russian blackmail, at least that's what Trump was told by Acting AG Yates, you know, the woman Trump subsequently had to fire for insubordination because she acted as though she still worked for Barack Obama instead of Donald Trump.

      Just to make sure Trump looked like an ass, the DoJ leaked the transcripts of Flynn's phone conversations to the press, and they got Flynn right square between the eyeballs. He never knew what hit him. If I were the president, I'd demand to know who in the DoJ leaked the transcripts, and I'd fire one person a day, starting at the top and working my way down the organization chart, box by box, until I had the name of that SOB. And if it meant cleaning house of everyone above filing clerk or janitor, so be it.

      So, who's next up for termination with extreme prejudice? Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, of course. By the end of February the Dems could have as many scalps of White House staff as have been confirmed for positions in the new administration, and Trump will be in danger of losing the influence and authority that go with the office of the president. Currently the political cold war in DC is at DEFCON 2 level. It won't take much to push it to DEFCON 1.

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  9. As Bloomberg reports: "First it's Flynn, next it will be Kellyanne Conway, then it will be Steve Bannon, then it will be Reince Priebus," he said. Put another way, Flynn is only the appetizer. Trump is the entree."

    The Second Civil War and the destruction of the US by the Deep State is well underway. Next stop: actual shooting and socialist tyranny. And Trump apparently doesn't understand this. He needs to clear out everyone in State and Justice that he possibly can and pay the remaining $1 a year. Those who stick around may be redeemable...maybe not. But the administrative Deep State has declared war and 95% of Executive office staff gave to Democrat Party. This will not end well.

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    1. Until I see real evidence to the contrary, I think this was a well executed hit job on Flynn, who was apparently not well liked in his previous stay at the DIA. I see this, in part, as the obvious efforts by Obama loyalists who are still embedded in the government to delegitimize Trump's election victory and to frustrate the new administration's attempts to bring the bureaucratic state under control.

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    2. I'll post this excerpt from the Washington Freebeacon without comment and you all can judge for yourself:

      [T]op members of the Obama administration's national security team have launched a communications infrastructure after they left the White House, and have told reporters they are using that infrastructure to undermine Trump's foreign policy.

      "It's actually Ben Rhodes, NIAC, and the Iranian mullahs who are celebrating today," said one veteran foreign policy insider who is close to Flynn and the White House. "They know that the number one target is Iran … [and] they all knew their little sacred agreement with Iran was going to go off the books. So they got rid of Flynn before any of the [secret] agreements even surfaced."

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  10. Amazing...Surber was quick to see Trump as a President and point out the fake news spread by the Democrat media...and now he believes the Democrat media and is fine with throwing Trump's staff under the bus without any evidence.

    That's not quite how I saw Don moving but I guess the winning was just too much and so he's cheering on the personal destruction of Flynn by the #NeverTrumpers, Deep State, and Democrats. What a guy!

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    1. LOL. My first Never Surber. I wanted Trump president because he would do this to anyone who lied.

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    2. "first Never Surber"

      Must've been seduced by NYT pussy hat free coupon.

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  11. There are several things in play here. There are rivalries in play between various players in the Administration. Mad Dog and Bannon are reputed to not be fans. So the Deep State took its shot and he had no allies. The key is who will replace him.

    In the meantime every Obama appointee must be fired. Today. You are better off with no one than an Obama employee. Witness Miss Yates. Cut their heads off now and kill the snakes on our plane.

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  12. I'm sorry, but I have a question...what the f-ck is Deep State?

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    1. Answer: The Valerie Plame Brigade of the Bureaucracy

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    2. The Deep State are those non-Presidential appointment progressives and Democrats in the executive branch that fear a lack of power and will do anything possible (lie, cheat, steal are the starting points) to thwart the reduction of any component of the Federal government in order to destroy Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, and the middle-class.

      They got Flynn's scalp using the Deep State members in the Intelligence community, putting the WH on notice that failure to comply will cost dearly in the Democrat media and government organs. This is only the first capitulation on Trump's part. Bannon and Miller are next.

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  13. I'd say the Leftards and the MSM were gearing up to wage a war of attrition on this issue, expecting Trump to fight to the last ditch, and BAM, the source of the kerfuffle is gone before the commercial break.

    And the lesson to everyone is "No Trump staffer makes the same mistake twice ... he's fired the first time".

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  14. Is it true that Flynn was the only Democrat in the administration?
    I mean--snark--besides the President, of course.

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  15. Corey Lewandowski did some foul-smelling, suspicious things - like lying about not man-handling Breitbart (yeah, Banning's company) reporter Michelle Fields - when the video shows that he did and then he was supposedly pushed aside by Manafort to immediately get jobs with CNN and the Conservative News Network. Meanwhile back at the Bank, Trump continued to pop $20 grand a month into Lewandowski's coffers (as reported to the Elections Commission) as a consultant until the terrible media found out about it. Then in September, the payments suddenly became severance pay. Low and behold, Donald won the election, Lewandowski showed up at Trump Tower and he immediately resigned at CNN. There just has to be more going on here than meets the eye.

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    1. You saw Corey jerk Michelle Fields from behind so violently she almost fell to the ground? Wow. I missed that. The video I saw showed him brushing past her and lightly touching her on the upper arm for a split second.

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  16. @gadfly: "Corey Lewandowski did some foul-smelling, suspicious things - like lying about not man-handling Breitbart (yeah, Banning's company) reporter Michelle Field"

    I watched the security video of that incident a dozen times and Lewandowski did nothing of the sort, you effin lying troll. Fields did a flop like the best soccer player flop I've ever seen.

    She had been told ahead of time to stay away from Trump by the Secret Service, among others, and she ignored the warning, going so far as to grab Trump by the elbow. Lewandowski stepped in to do the job the Secret Service agent standing right next to Trump failed to do (and should have been fired for), namely protecting the candidate from assault.

    Go pedal your crap elsewhere, like over at the Alt-outhouse blog.

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  17. Hi Don,

    Long time reader but first time commenting. Here are my thoughts:

    Trump could have fired Flynn for three reasons:

    First, Flynn wasn't across his brief. He 'inadvertently' briefed the Vice President with 'incomplete information'? That is completely unacceptable conduct in a National Security Advisor, where full and frank disclosure of details is vital to national security. I don't imagine Condoleezza Rice would have done this (or ever did).

    This alone was reason enough to sack Flynn.

    Second, Flynn could well have been engaging in BS. Being a general and thus having some familiarity with bureaucracy, he would have some experience with bureaucratic ass-covering. The thing is, Trump would have well-attuned BS detectors. (Having people fail to deliver on deals and giving BS excuses tends to hone one's detectors. I speak from experience.) It could well be that Trump didn't like what he heard.

    Third, he made Pence look like an idiot. That would not have played well with Trump, who appears to hold Pence in very high regard because Pence has proven his ability.

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    1. Three for three. Don't be a stranger in commenting.

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  18. @TheDudeAbides: I'd put a little different spin on it. I've been thinking it was Pence, not Trump, who demanded that Flynn be fired, because Pence resented that he was compromised by his very public support for Flynn. Trump was put in the indelicate position of having to choose between Pence and Flynn, and of course he had to back Pence, to whom he has delegated a lot of responsibility and provided enormous public visibility (because, as I've speculated before, Trump will not run for a second term).

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  19. Well, I don't know if Gen. Flynn lied or not. What I do know is that this doubt was raised by the DOJ, before Pres. Trump took office; the message was delivered by AG Sally Yates who had James Clapper and John Brenner backing her up from the "intelligence community," and the story first appeared in the Washington Post. Now let me see... do I trust ANY of the forementioned people, or the WaPo? No, I do not; not in the slightest amount. A lot of people believe that the WaPo is a CIA asset, and does their dirty work via character assassination.

    Looks to me like Gen. Flynn is the first casualty of the Obama team's undercover traitor group of bureaucrats and intelligence operatives that are working against President Trump and his administration.

    I'd like to see President Trump cleaning out the ranks of those close to his administration, eliminating all the left-over Obama staffers, right down to the guy who empties the trash cans. There are some traitors in his midst, and they must be rooted out and eliminated! The same swamp-draining needs to be done in the NSA, CIA, and all the other government clandestine services, to ensure that they are supporting the Constitution and not trying to undermine it, as Obama pro-globalists would do!

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  20. @Eskyman: Spot on. This is what Don should have written instead of ASSUMING that Flynn lied. What this episode reveals is that Obama was tapping the phones of his political enemies just as he was exiting the Oval Office, of course managing (as in the IRS scandal involving Lois Lerner) to keep his fingerprints off the crime.

    Why was Obama doing that? Because he is NOT leaving the political scene. The same people who leaked the DoJ transcripts to the press undoubtedly handed them over to Obama's post-presidency political operation.....and will continue to leak government secrets to Obama in the future. None of this business with Flynn happened in a vacuum. I smell a rat behind all of it, and the rat's initials are BHO.

    We are not done with Obama's efforts to fundamentally change America. He's just going to do it from a different office in the suburbs of DC instead of from Pennsylvania Avenue. For him, this is unfinished business. He is going to tap into the paranoia and anger (and violence) of the gangs of liberals who are mad that Hillary lost the election. It really is 1938 all over again.

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    1. I think the tap was was on the Russkie's line, not Flynn's. If you tap a line, it's hard to listen to only one side.

      It's also hard to believe that Flynn wouldn't realize that his call was being monitored. He was phoning a Russkie diplomat, for pete's sake. It *better* be monitored.

      I don't think there was a quid-pro-quo between Flynn and the Russkie, but I don't have any problem thinking that Flynn didn't provide full, honest information to Pence.

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    2. Dan, Trump just confirmed that today (Thursday)

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