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Tuesday, November 14, 2017

The real high ground in the Moore case

Caitlin Flanagan at the Atlantic is horrified. The bill for defending Bill Clinton came in. The price is her silence as Judge Roy Moore stands accused of touching a 14-year-old girl back n the 1970s.

Just like all the Hollywood apologists for Roman Polanski, Flanagan and her fellow feminists have absolutely no moral standing in this case.


Kennedy drowned a woman. He stayed in the Senate, got a Portuguese water dog, and named him Splash.
But she tries.
The Democratic Party needs to make its own reckoning of the way it protected Bill Clinton. The party needs to come to terms with the fact that it was so enraptured by their brilliant, Big Dog president and his stunning string of progressive accomplishments that it abandoned some of its central principles. The party was on the wrong side of history and there are consequences for that. Yet expedience is not the only reason to make this public accounting. If it is possible for politics and moral behavior to coexist, then this grave wrong needs to be acknowledged. If Weinstein and Mark Halperin and Louis C.K. and all the rest can be held accountable, so can our former president and so can his party, which so many Americans so desperately need to rise again.
Reckoning?

Now?

Why?

Because he is totally out of power. He's Jimmy Carter without a hammer. Clinton will never be president again, or the first openly male first lady, or even the father of a president.

Sure, sacrifice him now.

Some pseudo-conservatives want us to sacrifice Judge Moore to show some moral superiority.

Moral superiority is the presumption of innocence.

It's tough, isn't it?

But being moral -- being American -- being true to the Constitution -- is not easy.

Emmett Till didn't get that presumption. According to the NAACP, between 1882 and 1968, we did not give the presumption of innocence to 4,743 men who were lynched.

In 1991, the Democratic Party was split on whether to give Justice Clarence Thomas the presumption of innocence.

Clinton of course was guilty. He admitted it. But Democrats -- and many Republicans -- defended him, and the Senate refused to convict him for perjury and suborning perjury after his impeachment.

Now some senators want to expel Moore before the election.

Phooey. That's virtue signaling.

Absent an admission of guilt between now and Election Day, he deserves the support of every Republican and of every conservative.

Vote for Moore and be a conservative, or vote for someone else and be a liberal.

Anything else is nonsense.

If the allegations have merit, then the women should file police reports, investigators should gather evidence, a judge should impanel a grand jury, and if there is an indictment, the prosecutor should try the man.

If he is found guilty, the Senate should expel him.

That's a lengthy process in an impatient and self-absorbed society.

Too damned bad.

Bob Menendez just faced a trial, and his fate is in the hands of the jury. He's still in the Senate -- as he should be. I can see an acquittal on all charges.

Standing by the presumption of innocence and the due process that goes with it are the real high ground.

The rest is self-righteous gobbledy-gook.

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41 comments:

  1. I agree with you that all this us virtue signalling at its most obnoxious. I don't believe the Constitution allows for expulsion for acts committed before he may become a Senator. House could not expel Adam Clayton Powell. Supreme Court so said in Powell v. McCormack.

    It is up to the voters in Alabama.

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    1. Powell v. McCormack concerned exclusion, not expulsion. It would not apply to an expulsion of Moore.

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    2. Powell precludes expulsion till he is seated. I don't believe it will happen if he is elected.

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  2. Everybody knows why they oppose Moore and it has nothing whatever to do with accusations from 40 years ago - whose evidence involves a yearbook that quite unusually came out at Christmas rather than the end of the year (doesn't every woman hang onto rapist memorabilia for forty years?). This truly stinks, and if allowed to succeed in destroying Alabama's choice for Senate then it's time to throw the bums out. All of them. Past time.

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    1. I wondered why she would ask her rapist to sign her yearbook anyway.

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  3. > "Yet expedience is not the only reason to make this public accounting. If it is possible for politics and moral behavior to coexist, then this grave wrong needs to be acknowledged."

    As Don notes, very convenient timing.

    I suspect she isn't concerned with justice; she's concerned with image.

    What was Ms. Flanagan writing when HRC was running for president last year? Did she bring Bill's history with women?

    She might have noticed that Trump did, though. Maybe something Trump said planted a seed in her and she's a changed woman.

    Or not.

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  4. Nothing will be prosecuted for anything that happened 40 years ago. Just the allegations needed for the election.

    This is how obama won two elections in Illinois and this is what the dems did to Sen Stevens of Alaska and Rep Tom Delay of Texas. Don't let them do it to Judge Moore.

    The media and the gope are trying to steal this election from the people of Alabama. Where were they when murdering ted kennedy was in the senate? Where were they when serial groper biden was in the senate and vp? Where were they when pedofile menendez was visiting sex island with rapist bill clinton? If they didn't speak up then they should STFU now.

    Guys like mcconnell, mccain and mcgramesty who stood silently by should resign immediately.

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  5. Her name was Mary Jo Kopechne. I was a boy when it happened. This worthless alcoholic became a democratic lion. Waitress sandwiches, right? Didn't he actually commit treason with Russia? Clinton sure had small shoes to fill, didn't he?

    Moore is probably going to win. What happens next is anyone's guess. The marxists will crank up one of their drones and try to kill him, I reckon.

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    1. I was 31 when it happened, with an honorable discharge from the Navy, married and raising a family.

      'Ted' Kennedy's behavior in the Kopechne affair STANK TO HIGH HEAVEN then, and still does, but he was DEMOCRAT SENATOR, so that was OK, 'nudge-nudge, wink-wink' - an early iteration of the "Bimbo Eruption" - Mary Jo was just discarded like a sack of potatoes.

      I have NO idea whether Moore is good for the job or not, but totally unverifiable accusations after 40 years - including other elections - is to me Prima Facie evidence of a Democrat Smear.

      From commentor LEE, above:

      What was Ms. Flanagan writing when HRC was running for president last year? Did she bring Bill's history with women?

      -Does she actually condone HRC's flagrant money grubbing/laundering, collusion with Russia ("Uranium-1") and exposing the records of our State Department to any hacker who cares to look?

      Just askin'

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  6. Just remember the political Party that LOVES a lynching... The Democrats have very short memories, don't they?

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  7. H/T to John Oliver who nails whataboutism and all the little Trumpster drones in the process: "It implies that all actions regardless of context share a moral equivalency, and since nobody is perfect, all criticism is hypocritical and everyone should do whatever they want. It doesn't solve a problem or win an argument. The point is just to muddy the waters, which just makes the other side mad........A defense attorney could not stand up in court and say 'maybe my client did murder those people, but what about Jeffrey Dahmer? What about Al Capone? What about the guy from Silence of the Lambs? I rest my case.'"

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    1. So noted Anon. "But if Hillary was elected ...." seems to be the catchphrase around here.

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    2. John Oliver- oh, you mean the guy who told Donald Trump, who had said he was considering running, "Do it! Do it! I will write you a campaign check right now..."

      Other than that very brief moment of sanity, I don't recall anything else that Oliver has said or done that's of any importance or relevance. Did he actually write the check he'd promised?

      Oh, wait a minute- That wasn't a moment of sanity, he was actually trying to be funny! Well, at least he was trying.

      It's people like him that are a good part of the reason I don't watch TV anymore. Too many of these so-called "comedians" just aren't funny, and have no idea that they are the joke; flat and unfunny as they are.

      Maybe they should change their names to "anonymous-" or maybe Anonymous is actually John Oliver!

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    3. As if on cue we get more whataboutism about whataboutism. So precious. "since nobody is perfect, all criticism is hypocritical".

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    4. What I notice is that you and your fellow Dems, as usual right on cue and simultaneously, have latched onto the word, "what-about-ism," as if you came up with it yourselves. This obviously is a creation of your DNC talking-points masters to enable you to escape from or deflect from legitimate charges of rank hypocrisy. Sorry, doesn't work. Your rank hypocrisy IS relevant.

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  8. I find it, uh, "unusual" that the Proggies decided to start heaving shit this early. Maybe there's some super duper Nate Silver poll data that shows Americans just shut off politics between now and Christmas. Possible, but I doubt it. Once again, you showed your cards too early, dipshits. No Canastas for you!

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  9. Moore is this year's Ted Stevens. It is the way the Dems operate. There's about as much smoke here as there is in Bill Clinton's many flights aboard the Lolita Express in the company of underage girls.

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  10. But Democrats stand by their Kennedys, Clintons, LBJs etcetera, weather the storm and win. Repubs throw guys like Moore under the bus and lose.

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  11. It's not just virtue signalling. The RINOs in Congress have skin in the game. They'd rather have a Democrat win the Senate seat than a real conservative. They want to stifle as many pro-Trump votes as possible.

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  12. Feminists can never have any moral standing they have been backing liberal politicians and scum bags in Hollywood from the beginning.
    They refuse to confront injustice throughout the middle east and Africa and not support any of the women with the courage to stand up for themselves.
    They seek only power and satisfaction of their huge liberal egos, not justice or equality.

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  13. "I have no reason to doubt these young women." - Jeff Sessions under oath.
    Sad to know being a "real" conservative means you support a known pedophile.

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    1. And everyone who doesn't support swamp will also be a pedophile. Actual evidence not needed.

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    2. He also has no reason to believe said women. Sad to know that being a "real" liberal means throwing the presumption of innocence out the door. But real liberals aren't what you and your regressive friends actually are.

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    3. 'Known' as in proven?When did that happen?At least with Zipper Bill,it WAS proven.

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  14. I've been thinking of the culture Hollywood was promoting at the time of these allegations.

    In 1980, Hollywood introduced us to Sgt. Esterhaus on 'Hill Street Blues' and his oft reflections on his high school graduating sweetheart, I believe, Cindy.

    And then there was the opening sex scene in 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High' with 15 yr old Stacey and her 27+ stereo salesman date.

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    1. "(She's) Sexy + 17", 1983, Stray Cats
      “Seventeen”, 1988, Winger
      “You’re 16”, 1960, Johnny Burnette; 1973, Ringo Starr
      "When I Kissed the Teacher”, 1976, ABBA
      "Hot for Teacher", 1964, VanHalen
      "Don't Stand So Close To Me", 1980, The Police

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  15. "If the allegations have merit, then the women should file police reports, investigators should gather evidence, a judge should impanel a grand jury, and if there is an indictment, the prosecutor should try the man."

    Sorry, Don, I believe the statute of limitations ran out on those allegations. Now, there are great reasons for limitations, and we are seeing them play out right now.

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  16. Don; While reading the comments here I received an email from you? It is from donsuber825@lusala.net. Is this actually from you? This is the second one I have received, and I didn't think we knew each other enough to be on your email list.

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  17. This is all I need when Democrats are concerned. Prove it and then we will talk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaSvxaQDZ7A

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  18. School yearbooks come out at the END of the school year, sometimes even into the summer months.

    WHAT IS THIS GIRL DOING CARRYING AROUND HER YEARBOOK AT CHRISTMAS TIME FOR ROY MOORE TO SIGN IT?????????

    Did her school put them out BEFORE all the athletic events were played, events which make up the bilk of the back pages of a year book?

    Was this the year book from her PREVIOUS YEAR that she carried with her for important people to sign?

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    1. That's been covered. The yearbook was from the year before. Still brings up all the other questions.

      Plus another. It was her yearbook, but not her yearbook. Not her graduating class. I have been informed on other blogs that it's perfectly normal to buy HS yearbooks of other classes before you graduate. I've never known anyone who has done it.

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    2. My wife's HS provided them free of charge to all their students every year. They were less than a half inch thick, counting the covers.

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  19. Of course , you are right about the presumption of innocence in any accusation. But the politics of the Senate Republicans is more than virtue signaling. They did not want Moore from the get go and they are using this to get rid of him.

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  20. "Clinton of course was guilty. He admitted it. But Democrats -- and many Republicans -- defended him, and the Senate refused to convict him for perjury and suborning perjury after his impeachment."

    I wonder how many of them thought, "Dang, I'm one careless deposit of genetic material on a blue dress from going down too."

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  21. Yes.

    It's a good thing that no one recalls that McConnell, Cornyn, Portman, Corker, Blunt paid for Democrat racist attack ads in Mississippi against Tea Party candidate Chris McDaniel. The same Usual Suspects that ran to the hot mic a few days with a script in hand.

    Perpetually evil no good rotten scoundrels.

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  22. Time for the GOP to die. Trump needs to run for re-election from another party, one he creates and runs.

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    1. I believe that is what we are witnessing. Ugly. Well, pizzagate doesn't sound so whack now, does it?

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