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Thursday, September 14, 2017

No, Trump did not cave

UPDATE: From the Daily Caller just now: "House Agrees To $1.6 Billion For Border Wall."

ORIGINAL POST: The media crashed and burned last night over a Democratic Party lie about a deal on amnesty for some illegal aliens.

After a dinner with the president, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer said, “We agreed to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and to work out a package of border security, excluding the wall, that’s acceptable to both sides.”

There is no deal. The president said so this morning. Pelosi and Schumer jumped the gun because they hope to gain leverage in a situation in which the president holds the trump card.

Everybody who panicked about this Fake News was a fool.


That includes Representative Steve King, a Republican from Iowa, whom I like.

A lie travels around the world before the truth puts its shoes on.

People who railed against President Trump for "caving" made two mistakes.

  1. They believed Pelosi and Schumer.
  2. They believed the media.

Me? I trusted President Trump.

I read their statement and knew it was a lie, or to be kind, an embroidery of the truth.

The reason tip-off were the words, "excluding the wall."

Of course the wall was excluded.

It's off the table.

President Trump has authorization for it. A 2006 law made it so. He is not going to relinquish that authority.

But there is no Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals law. It does not exist. DACA is an executive order, at best a blanket use of prosecutorial discretion.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions called it as unconstitutional.

Trump let the Pelosi-Schumer lie slide until this morning. He literally lost no sleep over it because their lie helps him in negotiations, and that is what they are doing: negotiating.

The only agreement they came to was what to talk about.

He made it plain to them that the wall is not negotiable.

Today, he tweeted:
"No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote. The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built."
Got that? The wall is off the table.

Pelosi and Schumer's bargaining position is weak. They are in the minority.

But they do have a position, and they seem to be surrogates for Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Either man could stop a floor vote on any agreement

They won't.

This is a do-nothing Congress. Donald Trump's is a very active presidency. Contrast and compare. Congress needs leadership. Trump will provide it.

Meanwhile, anyone who said he caved on the wall is a fool.

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38 comments:

  1. The GOP is, and has been for some years, the Rotten Old Party. Some good individuals, but not nearly enough of them.

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  2. You're wrong, Don. Trump is damned by his own tweets on this issue, he was giving away the farm until he got slammed by (real) conservatives. Frankly he won't have my support in the future if he hands unfettered amnesty to any illegal aliens, because if he does we'll get millions more illegals that way.

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    1. You can certainly read into something that doesn't exist. Negotiating can be in public as with the Democrats or in private as with businesses. Politics makes people exaggerate their position to get a leg up. And the Democrats lie when the truth would do as with the Reagan amnesty in 1986 to get the Dems to authorize closing the border. Reagan did what he promised, the Dems deceived him and the border was NOT ever closed.

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    2. You can certainly read into something that doesn't exist. Negotiating can be in public as with the Democrats or in private as with businesses. Politics makes people exaggerate their position to get a leg up. And the Democrats lie when the truth would do as with the Reagan amnesty in 1986 to get the Dems to authorize closing the border. Reagan did what he promised, the Dems deceived him and the border was NOT ever closed.

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  3. While I was nailing two pieces of wood together and painting them blue and calling it an airplane, Donald Trump was teasing Mayor (of the greatest city in the world) Ed Koch about a 7 year old reconstruction project (the Woolsley skating rink) outside The Donald's office window. I'm eight years younger than Mr Trump (I still have that blue thing somewhere). I watch CBS News (out of NYC) often and shake my head at how bad this administration is doing, and when it's going to crash and burn, And then I read 'the rest of the story' here and at other alternative sources and remember that Mr Trump has been completely immersed in politics from the very beginning of his business career, and can handle any of the 'prairire dust' that is tossed at him. Thank you, Mr Surber.
    Rich in NC

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    1. Thank you. Keep reading. I went to bed laughing last night.

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  4. Bill Mitchell‏Verified account
    @mitchellvii

    "Please, anyone who is "done with Trump" over this #DACA negotiation, please just go away and stay away. Tired of the on-and-off crowd."

    DITTOS!

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  5. Bill Mitchell‏Verified account
    @mitchellvii

    "I have a suggestion for Republican Leaders concerned about Trump, "caving to Democrats."

    Try supporting him and he won't need Democrats."

    YES!

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    1. Never mind the so-called Republican so-called leaders. What about the Republican rank and file, who do support Trump, and who've been mad as hell at the party's supposed "leadership" for their opposition/foot-dragging to him (and making plans to primary them)? What suggestion does Bill Mitchell have for us?

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    2. Check out his tweets for yourself.

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  6. Anyone who believes Cryin Chuck and Lyin Nancy needs to go back on their meds.

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    1. Chuckle can't help himself and runs to a live microphone at the first opportunity. Doesn't matter that he stretches the truth. He can't help himself.

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  7. Surprise! A publicity-hound reality star with no particular convictions says and does whatever will bring the applause of the press!

    It must be so hard for sellouts like Don to watch this farce of a presidency after doubling-down on it, placing their credibility on the line for it, and trying to cash in off it. How much longer can they keep spinning rolling over for the Democrats as victory before they call it quits?

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    1. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz huh? snif snif...did someone take a dump on the rug?! zzzzzzzzzzz

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  8. Big fan, Don, but you're wrong on this one. Read his tweets and his own words this morning. We're getting DREAM Act, including citizenship--and not just for the 800k DACA recipients--in return for "border security". No interior enforcement, no RAISE Act, no wall.

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  9. Mark Twain sure could nail it. "A lie travels around the world before the truth puts its shoes on." It sure does!

    I'm just sick and tired of this constant stream of lies coming from the media. Don't know what else to do: I've already cut the cable, canceled my newspapers & magazine subscriptions- but it's impossible to avoid the latest "the sky is falling" madness without becoming a hermit living in a cave underground!

    It's just depressing when the same asininity spreads even to "alternate" outlets such as Breitbart. There's just no escaping the false narrative, it's everywhere. Pervasive!

    And it's damned dispiriting, that's for sure.

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  10. Hillary will still never be President.

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  11. TRUMP LOST ME WITH THIS, AND HE CALLED IT A DEAL THIS MORNING.

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  12. It's a head fake.

    The GOPe hates Trump and refuses to deal with hime, claiming that they're too ideologically pure. So, he shows them that they're Congressmen and he's President and he call deal with the other half instead.

    He put the ball in their court and it's been so long sense they've scored with it that they don't know what to do.

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    1. See, you're assuming that they want to win and just don't know how to do so. Whereas actually they've been paid to fix the game, like the Chicago Black Sox, and so Trump cutting a deal with the "other team" is the best thing to happen to them - they can lose as they wanted, and still claim they were trying!

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  13. The trouble is Trump has to be absolutely clear the wall gets funded with DACA. Because if he gives up this leverage, he will never get the Dems or the GOPe to do it.

    I would also like funding for tracking visa overstays (which is just as bad of a problem than crossing the border).

    I appreciate Don S. optimism and I hope he is right (he usually is on DJT). But there are plenty of credible reports (not from NeverTrumpers or Democrats) that Trump agreed not to link the wall funding to DACA. That would be bad.

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    1. As to visa overstays. about 50% of the problem, all we need to do is we just need to copy what Mexico and Canada does; don't need to reinvent the wheel.

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  14. The House just passed a real budget for the first time in years. It's too much, but it does fund the Wall. The point is, Donald Trump is getting them to do their jobs again. He's a good influence on Reprobate Washington.

    ps; I never believe the #FakeNews when they report on what Democrats said, but I repeat myself.

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  15. Trump tweeted this am that the dreamers were here through no fault of their own. I could wait on the wall, not kicking out the illegals would be far worse. I dont want a "deal" with slick used car salesman schumer. No deals just laws

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  16. Can we get rid of Kurt Schlichter and Sean Hannity now? Those two idiots bought into the lie.

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  17. This was written at another site but should be shared here: I wrote this in response to a comment yesterday but I think it bears
    repeating here: Trump is not ambiguous in his statements. People are no
    longer taught grammar. Here goes: Look at what he said by what he said.
    This is an analysis from someone
    with a PhD whose dissertation was based on rhetoric and grammar, old
    school, not current "the rhetoric of comic books" stuff. Remember, Trump
    is old enough to have had a legitimate semi-classical education, not
    the indoctrination grammar is what you want it to be school. "No dead
    was made." This is a declarative statement. "Massive border security
    would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent." This is subjunctive
    mood, or contrary to fact mood. It shows he knows this will not likely
    happen. You know the reasons and so does he. "Would be subject to vote."
    Still subjunctive mood and remember, he can't stop a vote except by
    veto that cannot be overruled; if it can be overruled, that is not his
    fault. You are reading into this subjunctive mood a declarative
    statement of intent that does not exist. What this tweet shows is that
    the Democrats have lied and were reading into what they wanted the same
    things you are reading into the tweets because of what you do not want.
    Stay calm. Remember: This is one of the reasons why Trump has been able
    to get things done -- his enemies show what they really are going to do.
    He may not succeed, but that is because he does not have absolute
    power. What you are going to get is the best that he can accomplish with
    the deep state against him. It is up to the people to vote out the
    denizens of the deep state who are entrenched in power. Remember: If you
    have the intelligence agencies working against you, as facts seem to be
    showing as they come out, do you really think that the path to better
    government for the people is going to be easy? Especially since Trump
    cannot get his candidates voted upon by Congress because of
    foot-dragging and obstruction. If nothing else, Trump has been exposing
    for us a confirmation of all of our suspicions about the corruption of
    the government, for the government, by the government against the people
    -- he is legally constrained to act within the set-up and that is what
    he is doing. It is up to the voters to change the system that has been
    changed by the infiltration of subversives and crooks.

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  18. As I commented over at Instapundit, I believe Don is right on this.

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  19. Sure a lot of "Trump supporters" here today spouting the same talking points. I thought the Journolist listserver was kaput. I guess I was wrong, or there's a new magic talking-point-distributor in town.

    That said, I sure wish Ryan and McConnell would get in front of microphones and cameras at least as often as Nanny and Chuckie.

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    1. It would be nice if GOP "leaders" actually led.

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  20. Ron in Ohio Sez:

    First off; My first reaction to the Dim-O's DACA and Border Wall statements was, "No damned way!" But I intelligently decided to wait awhile before expressing my opinion.

    I am so glad that Don explained his "24 Hour Rule" months ago. It has taught me to also have a little patience and wait a bit before making an opinion and inserting my foot when opening my mouth.

    So, once again Surber's "24 Hour Rule" proves it's mettle and has exposed the liars and vilifiers for the buffoons they both are.

    I strive to be a 4-Season Patriot and I'm sticking with Trump for the long haul.

    So, to those who profess to be true Conservative Trump supporters and then use this and other forums to express their shock and dismay over Trump whenever a Dim-O lies or "Fake News" reports their usual anti-Trump crap, remember this from your history all ye "Summer Soldiers";

    “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.” – The Crisis, Thomas Paine

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    1. Oh, for heaven's sake. Democrat lies about Trump and Russia, or Nazis, or whatever, don't faze us by now. But when you have a tweet from Trump himself about how we can't deport all the Dreamers, and that they're such upstanding folks, etc., then yes, there is what to worry about. The more so because so far we've suffered far too many disappointments (Sessions being the worst of many).

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    2. Perhaps President Trump is giving the Democrats enough rope to hang themselves with. The big question is what will the majority party - the GOPe do? Will they hang themselves, too? By throwing this hot potato back into the lap of Congress he is giving the electorate the chance to put pressure on the Congress critters to do the will of the electorate. Write your Representatives and Senators and hold their feet to the law, the Constitution, and the will of the people. Monday, September 18 is Constitution Day. Let's show Congress that We, the People haven't forgotten what it's all about. Light up the switchboards, fill up their e-mail inboxes, and make them hire temps to open all the letters. President Trump is relying on us. - Elric

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    3. I'm afraid they will, Elric.

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  21. Yep, the "talking points"crows are out on
    the cable wire this am cawing madly..
    Thanks , Don.
    TG McCoy

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  22. Trump Song (sing to tune of Glory Hallelulah)

    I long to see the glory of America restored.
    Trump is stamping out the vineyard where the lies of wrath are stored.
    He's taking on the problems lesser presidents ignored.
    Trump's train is rolling on.

    Schumer caused so much confusion, there was no truth of Trump collusion.
    Pelosi weighed in with delusion, yet the Trump train's rolling on.

    We have seen Him douse the fires of a hundred media camps;
    They maligned Him on the altar of the evening news by tramps;
    Twisting every sentence they now have writer's cramps
    Still the Trump train's rolling on.

    Trump exposed progressive gospel and is destroying it's appeal
    He's restoring what Obama and his minions tried to steal
    Just watch this mortal hero crush that serpent with his heel
    Keep the Trump train rolling on.

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