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Thursday, February 18, 2016

Lighten up, Pope Francis

Pope Francis decided to weigh in on the presidential race, declaring Donald Trump is not a Christian. This is based on Trump wanting the United States to have an immigration policy similar to the Vatican's.



A reporter asked the pontiff: "Can a good Catholic vote for this man?"

Rather than demure and note that this is a secular matter for a nation that he has never lived in, the pope bashed Trump. Apparently everyone in the world with a microphone believes he can weigh in on Our Election.

The Pope said:
"Thank God he said I was a politician, because Aristotle defined the human person as 'animal politicus.' So at least I am a human person. As to whether I am a pawn -- well, maybe, I don't know. I'll leave that up to your judgment and that of the people...
"And then, a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the gospel. As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt."


Trump is not a Christian? Really? The Pope is saying Trump is condemned to hell because they disagree over a secular issue? That hardly seems loving to me and I seriously doubt Pope Saint John Paul II would bother with involvement in retail politics like that. John Paul had bigger worries: Like ending communism.

The statement from Trump:
If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS’s ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened. ISIS would have been eradicated unlike what is happening now with our all talk, no action politicians. 
The Mexican government and its leadership has made many disparaging remarks about me to the Pope, because they want to continue to rip off the United States, both on trade and at the border, and they understand I am totally wise to them. The Pope only heard one side of the story - he didn’t see the crime, the drug trafficking and the negative economic impact the current policies have on the United States. He doesn’t see how Mexican leadership is outsmarting President Obama and our leadership in every aspect of negotiation. 
For a religious leader to question a person’s faith is disgraceful. I am proud to be a Christian and as President I will not allow Christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened, unlike what is happening now, with our current President. No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man’s religion or faith. They are using the Pope as a pawn and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so, especially when so many lives are involved and when illegal immigration is so rampant.
Trump is Presbyterian. (Earlier, I misstated his religion.)

But the real damage Francis did was to himself. A pope cannot excommunicate a Protestant. Francis looks silly in all this.

20 comments:

  1. Nice to see you returning to your MSM roots and badly twisting everything the Pope said about Trump.

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    1. What ever came of "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's"?

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  2. I don't think that PF necessarily consigned Trump to hell. Didn't he state that one doesn't have to be a Christian to go to heaven?

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    1. That's my point Mark. Surber also writes, "A pope cannot excommunicate a Protestant." The Pope never said that or was advocating it either.
      And this Surber gem, "Sounds like the Jesuit Pope carries a grudge that dates back 500 years." Wow, a bit of a stretch don't you think. Didn't realize the Pope had such a grudge. Great digging there Don.
      If nothing else, the Pope gave Trump the benefit of a doubt. Note. The Pope, "I say only that this man is not Christian if he said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt."
      So the Pope never directly says Trump is not a Christian and he never says whether one should or should not vote for Trump.
      Who is looking silly now Don? Not the pontiff

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    2. Very well, Anonymous. Well, I am in agreement with the Pope that one need not be a Christian to go to Heaven, and I'm in agreement with Trump that America needs a wall and I'm in agreement with Donald Surber that the Pope should stay out of America's politics and tend to his own business -- and should tear down his own wall in order to lead by example.

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    3. Very well, Anonymous. Well, I am in agreement with the Pope that one need not be a Christian to go to Heaven, and I'm in agreement with Trump that America needs a wall and I'm in agreement with Donald Surber that the Pope should stay out of America's politics and tend to his own business -- and should tear down his own wall in order to lead by example.

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    4. Mark - Obvious you have never been to the Vatican. St. Peter's Square is just as open as any Washington D.C. landmark. The wall Trump foolishly refers to is thousands of years old and does not circle areas - nor keep out - the millions of people who go there every year. Saying the walls around the Vatican keeps out foreigners is like saying the Great Wall of China keeps people out of China. Why should the Pope stay out of American politics? Is he allowed to not have an opinion? Thus, by same reasoning, Americans should stay out of Middle East politics?

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  3. How many illegal aliens and/or Muslim refugees has the Vatican agreed to house? - Elric

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    1. The Vatican has taken in two refuge families that I am aware of. Let's see, St. Peter's Square is approx. 100 acres. If a country - and St. Peter's is - takes in two families per 100 acres ....

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  4. Pope Francis states opinions that cause scandals. He will answer for the souls lost because of his careless statements.

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    1. "Pope Francis states opinions that cause scandals."

      Such as ....?

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  5. Sadly, you're all missing a clever "Stripes" reference in the article's headline.

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  6. Donald Trump isn't a Catholic, so the Pope doesn't have jurisdiction over his immortal soul. Even if he did, the most he could do would be throw him out of the Church, and I doubt Trump would be wailing and gnashing his teeth if the Pope did so.

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  7. A more important question for the Pope is how Teddy Kennedy, degenerate and abortion friend extraordinaire, stayed in good graces with Rome all his life. Or does open-border immigration "trump" everything else?

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    1. And got an annulment (!) from the Church of his long marriage to a woman who was driven by his infidelities to become an alcoholic. But, if it's US presidents he's got in his cross-hairs, he might give a homily on marriage with mention of the notoriously unfaithful Saint JFK, who is so revered by members of the Holy Father's flock.

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    2. Jsok - Have a reporter ask the Pope this very question. The Pope was asked about Trump and he gave a response. Is the Pope not allowed to have an opinion?

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  8. I'm curious whether the same people who worried so much about and spoke out about Mitt Romney's religion during the 2012 election are showing the same vocal concern over the Pope going out of the way to inject his opinions into the 2016 election campaign. It's one thing to speak out on doctrinal issues as to what constitutes CATHOLIC charity, which he is certainly entitled to do as the leader of his Church, but his careless use of language (saying specifically "this man," which refers back to the reporter's naming of Trump) was ill-advised.

    If the Pope wishes to court controversy, perhaps two more moral and thus relevant topics for him to pronounce on would be the abortion and same-sex marriage stands of the Democrat Party. We know Bernie is no Christian, but what about Hillary? Do her beliefs conflict with "Christian" morality? Speak up, Holy Father, what do you have to say about her views on those issues?

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  9. The Pope is more intune with Bernie the Socialist than Hillary the Pro Abortionist.

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  10. This Pope is really determined to highlight the great advancement of humanity that was the Reformation.

    Compare Pope Francis' accusation against Trump to the comments of Scott Walker on Obama being a Christian [also, compare how the press reacts]

    ----Not only does Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) not know whether President Barack Obama loves America, he also appears to be unaware that the president is a Christian.

    “I don’t know,” the potential 2016 candidate told The Washington Post at the winter meeting of the National Governors Association in Washington, D.C.

    “I’ve actually never talked about it or I haven’t read about that,” Walker said of Obama's faith. “I’ve never asked him that. You’ve asked me to make statements about people that I haven’t had a conversation with about that. How [could] I say if I know either of you are a Christian?”

    The president has spoken publicly about his faith numerous times. He also frequently cites Bible scripture in his public remarks.-----

    In the much more egalitarian Protestant world, whether someone is a Christian is based on their beliefs and relationship with God. No need to worry about pleasing the union boss to get that gig in the afterlife.

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  11. This may sound funny but the conclusion I've drawn from this is that Augustine was wrong about Donatism.

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