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Thursday, July 02, 2015

Yep, gay marriage does lead to polygamy

Opponents of gay marriage said it will lead to legalizing polygamy.

And it has.

From the Associated Press:
HELENA, Mont. (AP) — A Montana man said Wednesday that he was inspired by last week’s U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing gay marriage to apply for a marriage license so that he can legally wed his second wife.
Nathan Collier and his wives Victoria and Christine applied at the Yellowstone County Courthouse in Billings on Tuesday in an attempt to legitimize their polygamous marriage. Montana, like all 50 states, outlaws bigamy — holding multiple marriage licenses — but Collier said he plans to sue if the application is denied.
“It’s about marriage equality,” Collier told The Associated Press Wednesday. “You can’t have this without polygamy.”
County clerk officials initially denied Collier’s application, then said they would consult with the county attorney’s office before giving him a final answer, Collier said.
Yellowstone County chief civil litigator Kevin Gillen said he is reviewing Montana’s bigamy laws and expected to send a formal response to Collier by next week.
“I think he deserves an answer,” Gillen said, but added his review is finding that “the law simply doesn’t provide for that yet.”
LoveWins and all that claptrap. Heckuva job, Supreme Court.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how Bruce Jenner can be a girl, but Rachel Dolezal cannot be black.

But over at Politico, Jonathan Rauch is trying to explain away polygamy, "I am a gay marriage advocate. So why do I spend so much of my time arguing about polygamy? Opposing the legalization of plural marriage should not be my burden, because gay marriage and polygamy are opposites, not equivalents. By allowing high-status men to hoard wives at the expense of lower-status men, polygamy withdraws the opportunity to marry from people who now have it; same-sex marriage, by contrast, extends the opportunity to marry to people who now lack it. One of these things, as they say on Sesame Street, is not like the other. Yet this non sequitur just won't go away..."

19th century thinking, Jonathan.

First men don't "hoard" women. Women stopped being chattel more than a century ago. Second, what business is it of his? These people love one another, who is he to interfere? The same legal argument the Supremes bought applies to this.

Good luck stopping progress, Mugwumps.


  1. What about incest among adults, especially involving women past child-bearing age? It would start with adult cousins....

    1. Actually, in many states, such as NY and MA, cousin marriage is legal even if child bearing is possible. Oddly, it is not legal in the states, such as WV andKY, the sophisticates from NY and MA most often attribute cousin marriage to.

    2. First cousins in NC. What the heck?

  2. Plural marriage, the opportunity to disappoint many women at once.
    Biblically, it is acceptable, but what man wants to deal with multiple cases of PMS all at once? Its bad enough having one wife and a teenage daughter.

  3. Polygamy - one wife to many.
    Monogamy - same.
    That being said, this is a subject I have been thinking about. I am 65 and reasonably well off (own house, business and property free and clear - have a decent revenue stream from some investments). I was never in a position where having children was an option - now I am and although I am very much in love with my 60 year old lady friend, I could see bringing a 25 year old woman into our household and having two or three children with her. She would inherit when the two of us pass and could help us as we age.

    Count me in for polygamy.

  4. There's no way we should deny polygamists the equal opportunity to be happy (or miserable). I'm seriously on board with it. Marriage has lost it's meaning, and it's sure as hell not the gay crowds place to be throwing around who the hell they think should and shouldn't be able to marry. Rauch's rationalization hamster wheel is spinning like a top. Screw him.

  5. There is going to be no end to this until the collapse.

  6. Since we have redefined marriage to allow same sex marriage what is wrong with polygamy? Or polyandry, for that matter? It would be total hypocrisy to not allow that now and we can call the people who oppose it heartless, mean spirited bigots. The only surprise to me is where the first attempt of it was. I expected it to be in Utah or Nevada. And then the next logical step would be group marriage with multiple husbands and multiple wives like Heinlein had in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and at least one of his other novels.

    Of course the penalty for bigamy is two mothers-in-law.

  7. Those two women Collier wants to marry look like sisters to me. They might gang up on him.

    And don't forget the joke about the 40-year-old man who divorced his 40-year-old wife and took up with two 20-year-old women. Friend saw him later, said "You look like Hell! What happened?" "I found out I wasn't wired for 2 twenties."

  8. Polygamy, might be stopped if in Supreme Court arguments, Old Testament references are used.
    Polygamy, because you can't stop at just one.

    Love wins!!!